Founder Q&A · Mike Stackable
Direct from the founder.
Mike Stackable on building Muscleman Elite from waiter to operating six Texas locations. The origin story, recovery moves, why we cost more than Facebook movers, the top 5 customer mistakes, hiring, piano pricing. Unfiltered, verbatim, no spin.
The founder's record
2,000+
Five-Star Reviews
7 yr
Avg. Mover Tenure
1-3%
Hire Rate · per 100
50%+
Repeat + Referral
Questions in this interview
- 01How did Muscleman Elite actually start?
- 02Tell me about a move that almost went wrong.
- 03Why do you cost more than Facebook movers?
- 04What do customers do that ends up costing them more?
- 05When does the clock start?
- 06How do you hire movers and what makes a good one?
- 07How does piano pricing actually work?
- 08Why did you build the brand around specialty items?
- 09What's the 'one-stop shop' actually mean for Muscleman Elite?
- 10What equipment does every truck carry?
- 11What's the moving-should-be-a-licensed-trade thing about?
- 12Who was Mike M and why does he matter to the story?
- 13Why did you open the Odessa office? You're an Austin company.
- 14What is "dust season" and how do you handle it?
- 15Is Muscleman a family business?
- 16Why don't you subcontract long-distance moves?
- 17Are there customers you turn down?
- 18What's a move you're proud of?
- 19What's a move that went wrong?
- 20What would Muscleman Elite never do?
- 21What's next for Muscleman Elite?
Q1 · Origin
How did Muscleman Elite actually start?
I was a waiter before I was a mover. My first helper, Andre, was also a waiter — the two of us worked together at Smokey Bones in Austin, off Stassney and I-35. Smokey Bones closed; that same building is now Trudy's Tex Mex.
Andre found the original gig — helping a gentleman who ran a labor-only moving service, no trucks. We loaded and unloaded U-Hauls for him. About 30 jobs. Those were the only moving jobs I'd done before starting Muscleman from scratch.
Andre came in as my first helper. I got on the U-Haul-owned eMove platform (now MovingHelper.com) myself. Built up to 6 labor crews and over 600 five-star reviews on MovingHelp.com before ever owning a truck. Couldn't own a truck AND be on the labor-only platform — conflict of interest.
In 2010 my brother talked me into getting the first truck. It broke down about two weeks later. That transformed the business into a leveraged model — hiring experienced owner-operators who had their own trucks and trailers. Mike M was the first driver — different person from me, now runs his own moving company in Austin.
In 2017 I built our own CRM because moving software at the time couldn't deliver the customer experience I had in mind. Later switched to Smart Moving when it emerged as industry standard.
In 2022 we acquired Texas Elite Moving. That introduced us to the box-truck W-2 model. Realized to scale we'd need box trucks but kept a hybrid fleet: 7 box trucks branded with E-Track, fully equipped, plus 4 owner-operators still with the company for years.
Q2 · Recovery under pressure
Tell me about a move that almost went wrong.
Job in West Texas. Up at 2am, drove all the way out. Gentleman wanted to help with the move — he'd already started loading boxes when the crew arrived. Did a good job, but movers build tiers in a truck: base layer, boxes above, loose items at top, legs and chairs facing toward walls.
Boxes-only at the front of the truck created air pockets that couldn't be filled. The crew realized the 26-foot truck wouldn't hold everything. The customer was towing his own RV. I offered: we'll load the rest into your RV — I promise nothing will be damaged.
Customer did NOT like the idea. I assured him. He agreed reluctantly. We loaded 20-30% of the RV with the remaining items.
Next day across Texas: we unloaded everything. The customer checked the RV with a flashlight. Nothing damaged. Flawless. He gave a very generous tip.
The memory is worth more than the move or the tip ever will be. That's the brand — honest promises made under pressure, then delivered exactly.
Q3 · Pricing honesty
Why do you cost more than Facebook movers?
Honest answer includes: sometimes you should use the cheap option. Most movers won't say that.
Facebook and Craigslist risks: probably unlicensed, probably no insurance, no reputation on the line so they can bait-and-switch, often poor equipment, inexperienced crew that takes 3-4× longer than it should.
Texas-specific fact: if an unlicensed mover gets caught, your stuff can be impounded into storage. Then you have to pay a licensed mover to retrieve it.
Operational truth: we rarely use two guys if there are no stairs. Once wrapped, almost every piece of furniture goes on wheels. Inexperienced crews don't know this — they're carrying everything.
I literally tell customers at estimates when they should use a cheap mover instead of us: small move, nothing of value, don't care about scratches. UHaul labor, TaskRabbit, neighbors can work. Follow them to the location, meet them in person — that could be a good option.
We can do things so quick that we're very competitive across the board, but we're not the cheapest and don't want to be. We provide a unique skill set.
Q4 · The top 5 mistakes
What do customers do that ends up costing them more?
1. Lying about conditions. Hiding details to lower the quote. Steep hill in Wimberley or Hill Country where the truck can't reach the driveway — everything shuttles up, doubles the time. 1,000-pound marble statue not disclosed. Stairs count. Driveway length. Low-hanging trees. Gate codes. HOA out-by-X-time rules. We have a thorough process to uncover the facts, but conditions matter. Be transparent.
2. Not being ready. When the crew shows up, stuff is still on top of dressers, full shelves and drawers, items not boxed. We can stay and get it done, but time is money. It's actually less expensive to just buy our packing services.
3. Pets and small kids in the way. The crew is moving a dresser on a dolly, the customer moves something into a cleared pathway after the crew has memorized the route, the crew doesn't look back, accident happens.
4. Wrong-size boxes. Diaper boxes, liquor store boxes, banana boxes. Lots of small awkward boxes take much longer to move than proper moving boxes. Buy moving boxes or get used ones off Facebook Marketplace.
5. Multi-service coordination day. Trying to time cable + cleaners + movers same-day. Stress compounds. The cable guy can wait until tomorrow. Be flexible.
Q5 · The clock
When does the clock start?
The clock starts when we arrive at the starting address. It ends when the move is complete.
Trucks leave the shop around 7:30am for the first job of the day. We can stack up to 4 jobs in one day for smaller moves. The arrival window for any given customer depends on the customer ahead of them.
No door-to-door clock. No drive-back-to-shop billing. You pay for the time we're at your move, period.
Q6 · Hiring
How do you hire movers and what makes a good one?
Most movers come through referrals from other career movers. My stance: moving should be a licensed trade, like plumbing or electrical.
1-3 hires per 100 applications. Average mover tenure: 7 years.
Two evaluation axes: good human qualities (respectful, customer-service mindset) and skills or previous experience. We'll hire no-experience candidates if they have the human qualities — but typically we prefer both.
Training: new movers learn the MME way — every move customized to the customer, not standardized.
Progression: senior mover gives a thumbs up → new mover can be on a job as a two-man → goes up from there.
Operating philosophy: going 10-20% over what actually needs to be done is good blanket protection. Anything beyond that is stealing money. Not everyone needs padding on everything; some need full floor protection plus crating plus extreme caution. Customized per customer.
We usually do background checks and drug tests, but not 100% of the time. I don't want to overclaim — don't want to lose trust.
Q7 · Piano pricing
How does piano pricing actually work?
Two pricing modes: piano added to a regular move (additional fee while crew is on the clock), or piano-only job (flat structure).
Base pricing categories — 7 tiers: - Upright under 4 ft - Upright over 4 ft - Baby Grand - Grand - 6–7 ft Grand - 7–8 ft Grand - Over 8 ft
Pricing modifiers (conditions): steps, stairs (additional cost per flight, varies by piano type), tight turns, very tight turns, keyboard or components removal (when the piano must be lightened), and turn count — a "turn" is when the piano has to be stood on end.
Extreme examples we've done: craning pianos over houses, lifting pianos into homes under construction, square grand pianos, celebrity-owned pianos, every type of stairs imaginable.
Photo policy: we request photos to be proactive. Because of our experience, we know right away if the piano will make the turn or fit where the customer desires.
Push-back honesty: anything is possible — but if it means cutting a hole in the side of the house, it comes down to money and being realistic. We tell the customer.
Q8 · Why specialty
Why did you build the brand around specialty items?
Pianos became a focus because it was the only specialty fee allowed on MovingHelp.com back when we were labor-only. I wanted everyone to know we were the piano experts.
Over the years that grew into "the moves other movers refer out" — pianos, servers, medical equipment, hot tubs and swim spas craned over houses. We became THE referral company for hard jobs.
Speed advantage: experience with specialty moving means we work faster than industry norms. Our hourly rate may be higher, but we get done a lot faster — less expensive on the bottom line.
Q9 · The full scope
What's the 'one-stop shop' actually mean for Muscleman Elite?
Residential + commercial + specialty + packing + storage + long-distance + third-party logistics. The most one-stop shop in the industry.
I treat it like a family — customers and crew. The whole business is reputation-based. I believe we're the most transparent and the most experienced.
Second location now: Midland/Odessa. Doing commercial moving plus third-party logistics for larger commercial jobs.
Brand position is the broad capability — but every single move stays customized. We don't standardize the work; we customize it to the customer.
Q10 · Equipment
What equipment does every truck carry?
Equipment standard is top of the line, always.
- · Thickest pads, folded a specific way
- · Four sizes of bungees on every truck
- · Four sizes of rubber bands
- · Solid two-wheel dollies + four-wheel dollies
- · Piano dolly + piano board
- · Plywood movers
- · Boxes for loose items
- · E-Track in every box truck
Equipment matters and it's not a marketing claim. List this somewhere visible because customers should know what shows up on the truck.
Q11 · Brand philosophy
What's the moving-should-be-a-licensed-trade thing about?
Moving should be a licensed trade. Like plumbing. Like electrical. Like welding. It's not something anyone with a truck can do well.
A bad plumber floods your house. A bad electrician burns it down. A bad mover scratches your floors, drops your piano, breaks your TV, and disappears with your deposit. The risk surface is real.
States that license general contractors, plumbers, electricians don't license movers. That's a regulatory gap. Until that changes, the customer has to be the one who verifies. Check the USDOT. Check the TxDMV. Verify the COI is real. Read the BOL before you sign it.
We're licensed: USDOT 2105156, TxDMV 006568203C. Both numbers are verifiable in 30 seconds at safer.fmcsa.dot.gov and txdmv.gov. Every quote, every BOL, every Certificate of Insurance we issue has both numbers printed on it.
Q12 · Mike M, the first driver
Who was Mike M and why does he matter to the story?
Mike M was our first real driver. Not a helper — a driver. The guy who could take the truck on the route, run a job lead-to-finish without me supervising, and bring it back with no damage and a happy customer.
That distinction matters. Anyone can swing boxes for an afternoon. It takes years to develop the judgment of a real driver — reading access, sequencing the load, managing the crew, talking to the customer, problem-solving when things go sideways. Mike M had it.
He's not with us anymore — moved on to his own thing — but the standard he set is the standard we still hire to. When I'm asking "is this person a driver?" I'm not asking about their license. I'm asking about Mike M.
Q13 · Opening the Permian Basin
Why did you open the Odessa office? You're an Austin company.
The Permian Basin generates a different kind of demand than Austin. In Austin we move tech workers and families. In the Permian we move energy executives, oilfield service workers, and the families that follow them. Different schedules, different requirements, different stakes.
We opened the Odessa office in 2021 specifically to serve that market with local crews who understand the patterns — dust season (Feb-May, closed van mandatory), 14/7 hitch rotations, the corporate-relo pipeline through Cartus and Sirva for ExxonMobil and Diamondback engineers, and the bilingual crew expectation for the Hispanic-majority Odessa workforce.
Generalist movers can't do this from Austin. You either have local crews who live in the market or you don't. We do. Our Odessa team is at 6005 Eastridge Rd Suite 200 #G — a real address, real warehouse, real local people.
Q14 · West Texas dust season
What is "dust season" and how do you handle it?
February through May is dust season in the Permian Basin. West Texas wind kicks up the dry topsoil and the visibility drops, sometimes to under a mile. A truck with an open trailer is exposed to abrasive sand pelting the cargo for hours. Pad-wrapped furniture gets sandblasted. The finish on a $5,000 dining table comes off in 30 minutes on the I-20 in March.
Our policy during dust season: closed van only. We don't run open trailers into Midland-Odessa moves Feb through May. Period.
Most movers either don't know about this or don't care. Customers who hire a generalist long-distance mover for a Permian move in spring routinely have furniture damage they don't expect. We learned this the hard way in 2018, and we've operated closed van only ever since. It's the kind of thing that doesn't show up in marketing brochures but matters every spring.
Q15 · Family stakes
Is Muscleman a family business?
Yes — in the real sense, not the marketing sense. My wife handles the business side: bookkeeping, payroll, vendor management, customer service escalations. The whole back office. The business doesn't run without her.
My kids see the business. They've ridden along on estimates. They know what a Bill of Lading is. They've helped at the office during summer breaks. They know what their dad does for work and why it matters to people.
That's not marketing — that's reality. A family in this business has more skin in the game than a corporate-owned national franchise, and customers feel that on move day. Our crews aren't strangers; they're people who work for a family-owned business that has to make payroll every Friday.
Q16 · Same crew end-to-end
Why don't you subcontract long-distance moves?
Because every customer complaint I've ever seen on a long-distance move came from a carrier handoff. Origin agent loaded the house. Van line drove it. Destination agent unloaded. Three different crews, three different inventories, three different opportunities for damage or missing items.
~10% of long-distance moves through the traditional van-line model report at least one missing item. Almost all of those losses happen at the warehouse handoff between origin agent and van line, or between van line and destination agent. It's not the driving. It's the handoff.
We don't do that. Our long-distance crew picks up at origin and delivers at destination. Same people. Same truck. No carrier swaps. No warehouse stops. It costs more to operate — we have to coordinate driver hotels, fuel cards, route planning — but it eliminates the single biggest source of long-distance move complaints.
If a competing quote is significantly cheaper, ask: "is this same-crew door-to-door, or is it interlined?" If they can't answer or change the subject, you know.
Q17 · Customers we decline
Are there customers you turn down?
Yes. Movers who never say no end up either over-promising or under-pricing, and either way the customer eventually gets hurt.
We walk away from:
- · Customers who refuse to disclose specialty items ("Just a few small things in the basement") and we find a 1,200-lb gun safe on move day. If the customer hides the scope, the binding estimate doesn't bind.
- · Customers who want us to disturb suspected asbestos in older homes. We refer to abatement contractors; we don't risk crew exposure.
- · Customers whose timeline is physically impossible — "Can you pack and move a 4-bedroom from Austin to Bay Area in 36 hours?" We'd rather lose the booking than ruin the move.
- · Customers asking us to move hazmat or do-not-load items they want to hide on the truck (paint thinner, propane, ammunition). Federal liability. Not negotiable.
- · Customers who've been through 3+ movers because "they all damaged my stuff." Sometimes the common factor is the customer, not the movers. We don't take problem-customer transfers.
Most movers won't say this out loud. We will. We choose our customers, and we want customers who choose us back.
Q18 · A move I'm proud of
What's a move you're proud of?
A senior downsize move in Westlake — late father's estate, four destinations on the second day, family processing grief while we sorted decisions on the first day. We didn't pack a single box on Day 1. We just stood by and labeled while the family figured out what stayed, what went to siblings, what went to estate sale, what got donated.
The crew lead — a guy who'd worked for us for six years — knew exactly when to step back and when to step in. When the daughter broke down crying mid-afternoon (she'd found a stack of letters her father wrote but never sent), he excused himself, went to the truck, came back 20 minutes later when she was ready.
The son sent us a handwritten letter six weeks after the move thanking us for the patience. Not a Google review. A handwritten letter. That's the move I'm proud of. Not because of the equipment or the route — because the crew understood that some moves aren't about logistics. They're about being part of the support, not part of the pressure.
Q19 · A move I learned from
What's a move that went wrong?
Early on — probably 2014 — we took a long-distance move to Denver. I undersold the lane. Didn't account for the I-25 grade through Raton Pass in winter. We hit a snowstorm. Truck didn't have chains. We sat on the side of I-25 for 11 hours waiting for the road to open.
The delivery was 36 hours late. Customer was furious. They'd booked a hotel for the wrong night. We covered the hotel. We comped the move. We learned: the price has to include the actual operational reality, including the days when nothing goes right.
Since then we've built in route weather contingency, equipment redundancy, and overnight stop planning that we didn't have in 2014. Most customers will never see these costs in their quote — they're built into how we operate. But every long-distance move we run today has Raton Pass in the math.
That move cost us money. But it bought us judgment we still use every week.
Q20 · The line we won't cross
What would Muscleman Elite never do?
We will never use a non-binding estimate as a bait-and-switch. Federal regulations technically permit non-binding estimates with a 110% rule, and some movers abuse that to lowball quotes and surprise-charge at delivery. We provide binding pricing. The price we quote is the price you pay. Always.
We will never sub-contract to a rogue carrier. Even at peak demand, we don't outsource moves to whoever picks up the phone. Our crews are our crews.
We will never transport firearms or ammunition. Federal liability we won't accept.
We will never move hazmat. Customer wants us to load propane tanks "just to drop off at the destination"? No.
We will never sign off on a damaged delivery without exception documentation. If a box is missing, it gets noted on the inventory sheet. We don't deliver and run.
We will never deny a legitimate damage claim to protect our claims rate. If we damaged something, we fix it. Period.
The list could be longer. But these are the lines we don't cross. Customers can spend their money however they want — but they can't spend it making us into something we're not.
Q21 · The future of MME
What's next for Muscleman Elite?
More of the same, deeper. Better-trained crews. Better photography of every job. More specialty equipment. More white-glove options for luxury clients. More commercial relocation capacity.
Selective geographic expansion. Not chasing every market in Texas — that's how moving companies dilute their quality. But where we already have customer demand and local talent, we'll grow. Houston and San Antonio are on the watch list if the right local team appears.
Better technology. Not a tech-startup transformation — moving is a physical business. But better photography on every job. Better inventory tracking. Better customer communication during transit. Better damage documentation. The boring stuff that compounds.
More specialty depth. The "Specialty Item Kings of Texas" positioning is real. Pianos, gun safes, hot tubs, pool tables, fine art, antiques, wine cellars — every one of those is a sub-industry with its own crew, equipment, and protocols. We invest in each one as a separate craft.
And the standard the crews live by stays the same. Whether we have 6 locations or 16, the standard is the same: show up early, work hard, treat the stuff like it's yours, leave the customer in a better place than you found them.
“Moving should be a licensed trade. Like plumbing, electrical, welding. It's not something anyone with a truck can do well.”
— Mike Stackable, Founder
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